Suggestions for the TMU Blog

[Dulci]

Please use this thread for any suggestions related to the TMU Blog, such as community events, outstanding new releases on TMU, etc. etc. etc.

TMUnderground Blog (http://tmunderground.blogspot.com/)

Also, I need a general consensus on whether or not I should get permission for each movie I want to feature there.

[Norrie]

To expand on my poll response:

This is public site and so are TMU and TMO. In other words anyone can watch the movies without signing up. (correct me if I'm wrong).

That, to me, means everything is out in the public domain.

[Elbow]

Please use this thread for any suggestions related to the TMU Blog, such as community events, outstanding new releases on TMU, etc. etc. etc.

TMUnderground Blog (http://tmunderground.blogspot.com/)

Also, I need a general consensus on whether or not I should get permission for each movie I want to feature there.


grrr - sorry, pressed the wrong button. smiles

I wouldn't think permission would be needed as we've placed our films publicly. Might be polite to send a note, but I wouldn't require being told my film was linked or embedded.

The only time I would ask permission is a private film of course.
I wouldn't know how to approach copyrighted material within someone's film. (music, footage)

[Killian]

Agreed with both above posters; if the facility for embedded code is there, and it's been a public upload, the implication is that it's "public domain" (at least from my point of view in respect of this particular issue); as Elbow says, a private movie is something else.

If someone really doesn't want to share the efforts of their creativity, they can always post such in their movie description, but anything that highlights anyone's creative efforts is surely a good thing, no?

EDIT: So much for my masterly observational skills, then :P Ultimately, in my humble opinion, we are all signing up to display our "wares" in public when we upload (ooo matron!), so really it's a none-issue from my point of view.

Of course, the majority might feel different, but as said back up there, how can anyone really complain if they are getting "hotpicked" for something like this which will only increase their exposure and viewing audience (especially as the blog is hosted under the same "rules" as TMU, and by one of the mods)?

Really, I see it as a personal manners issue from your point of view, rather than a straight-forward "should I just go ahead and assume?" question (if you are having to ask this question, I would probably confirm "ask the film maker anyway, just to be sure", which is what I'm pretty sure you were going to do anyway :))

In response to Riley; I'd agree if someone were then using that item and claiming it as their own work, but with a movie that's a little harder to do without some effort. However, I do get what you're saying, thus the addendum tacked on at the end ;)

[Dulci]

If someone really doesn't want to share the efforts of their creativity, they can always post such in their movie description,

When we post movies on TMU, we do have the option to not include the embeddable code, under the category:


Allow External sites to embed this Video:
Enabled:External sites may embed and play this video. Disabled: External sites may NOT embed and play this video.

[Norrie]

When we post movies on TMU, we do have the option to not include the embeddable code, under the category:


Allow External sites to embed this Video:
Enabled:External sites may embed and play this video. Disabled: External sites may NOT embed and play this video.

Oh! That's what embed means. Damn, I had it all wrong :(
So all those e-mail messages I got were actually SPAM?

(sorry, I can never resist a double entendre) :crying:

[Dulci]

Oh! That's what embed means. Damn, I had it all wrong :(
So all those e-mail messages I got were actually SPAM?

(sorry, I can never resist a double entendre) :crying:


Hey baby, wanna embed with me?

[rileyman]

Definitely in disagreement with the above posters.

Posting a movie on TMU only implies that you want people to watch your movie... on TMU. While most people will be fine with this, not all will. A work is "public domain" if the author says it is. I always operate under the assumption that a work is protected, until the author states otherwise -- you can never get into trouble with this policy.

I'd like to ask Norrie, Elbow, Killian: How is this different than grabbing somebody's mod posted on, say, 8eyedbaby, and duplicating it on another site?

Always ask. Most of the time, the person will say yes. All it takes is the one undiscovered "no" to cause an incident.

[Norrie]

I'd like to ask Norrie: How is this different than grabbing somebody's mod posted on, say, 8eyedbaby, and duplicating it on another site?


Edited for my purposes :)

My answer would be that a movie is not a mod. Or a piece of music, or a VA performance.

It's not a part; it's more than the sum of its parts, therefore unique.

You may post it on TMU, or TMO, but ANYONE with internet access can watch it.

I fail to see the correlation betwixt a mod and a movie, sorry.

[Sparky]

Hmmm, will someone be upset about their movie getting extra and 'free' exposure....... survey says..... *ding ding*- no they won't.:thumbup:

I don't see an issue so long as the director is credited for the movie in the blog - i doubt (i although i could be wrong) that Dulci will try and palm all of these 'blog movies' off as here own work? :huh:

cheers

p.s. my vote was 'you worry too much' in case that wasn't apparent ;)

[thebiz]

Just because you have no problem having your movie posted on the blog (nor do I for that point) doesnt mean everyone feels the same. The blog and the website are not explicitely one and the same. If this process were available so that someone could post my movies on TMO (or republicansformoneyandoppression.com or ect.) without my consent I would probably be a little pissed. Many people wouldnt see why this would be a problem but I made a concious decision to not post my movies there even though it might cost me extra and free exposure. It might be legal but its not generally good form. I change my vote to ask first.

Does this mean I will now recieve a summons for jury duty? Drat. Shoulda abstained.

[db4321]

On the basis that you should never assume anything, in my opinion, I think it would be better to ask first. Not only that, but it's also polite and respectful to the person whose movie it is.

Sorry if I sound old-fashioned.

[Killian]

Just a quick note to say, if you vote it would be an idea to post here as well to say what you think, rather than just voting and not explaining your reasoning.

As has been pointed out, while there are some of us who would be quite happy for Dulci (in this instance, which is after all what we are talking about) to post our work on the blog site if she would be so inclined, and without asking first, I also understand the feelings of those who would at least expect the courtesy of being asked before that was done (I would imagine, as well, that hardly anyone would say "no" to a politely expressed request for something like this). And, while I personally don't understand why, I also respect the wishes of others who would say "no" to such a request, no matter who made it.

However, just to qualify (and am in agreement with thebiz on this one) if someone ELSE were to blatantly take a movie of mine (or anyone else's for that matter), and up it somewhere else without asking.... yes, I'd be incensed (had that happen to me when using Veoh, which is why I changed my settings there). I suppose what I'm saying is, it's all a matter of perspective.

That said, I'm sure we're all mature enough to respect each other's opinions, as ever :)

[Norrie]

Got to agree with Killian here.

Sheesh, we're talking about Dulci posting a link here folks, nothing more.

We do love the drama though :(

[thebiz]

I didnt think it was drama (more smilies perhaps). Just thought we were giving Dulci our thoughts on the issue. My original vote was for me thinks the lady doth worry to much but the thought of someone posting my movie on tmo made me change my mind. Plus it made me aware of the option to allow/diallow linking to your movies. Ill leave mine public for now and deal with republicansformoneyandoppression.com when the time comes.

[Elbow]

1) Lock embedding your film if you only want it shown on TMU - easy to do.

2) If the somebodyforsmething.com wanted to use your movie, they either feel the same as you on a particular view (cool for you and them), hate your views and want to twist your words (make a stronger point so they can't), or want to steal from you and claim your work as their own. (Nothing can be done if they really want it, short of watermarking the entire film with a disclaimer.)

3) A courtesy note would allow Dulci to update her blog without waiting for an ok and give the film maker a chance to reply - take it off (the film Dulci, the film)

4) No difference in creative work - film, mod, music etc. I've not seen a mod with a "ask before using" caveat. (not sure I can say the same for music) Credited work is what we all rightly expect. And I don't often see a forgetful filmmaker get away with not naming who contributed and without getting smacked for it.

Norrie's on point - We're talking Dulci's blog here - good doggy member. hold on- doggy member? humping avatar? and all this time I thought it was a EO smack - oh my :18:

[Norrie]

Who is this EO you speak of Elbow? I'm sure I don't know what you are referring too. Sisch made my avatar, she would never be so childish?

Not calling you a drama queen biz, nor anyone, I apologise for my brusqueness, it gets me in trouble at times. I was just trying to say, in this case, it's Dulci and a blog, that's all.

I still see a difference between components (for want of a better word) and product though. I could imagine user mods being used without credit, I could imagine the same for music, but I can't quite envisage a whole movie being passed off as someone else's work?

Maybe it's the fabled slippery slope :sleep1:

[sisch]

My two cents:

As it is Dulci's blog (I'm very glad that she took the time to set it up and keeps it updated! Thank you, Dulci!), she has not to ask me if she wants to embed one of my movies (one exception - if it were a private one; but I wouldn't think that Dulci would do that anyway). I trust her, and have known her for quite some time now - I feel I'm in good hands here! Of course, if others see it differently, I feel that should be respected.

If it were someone I don't know, a site I don't know, on the other hand, I would expect to be asked so that I can have a look around and decide if I want my movie to be featured there.

Simple as that. :001_smile:

As for stealing movies - I've heard that this has been done, and I believe this is a touchy subject - sure you can add a copyright sign to your movie, but would that really help? And even if you don't allow embedding on TMU, I can snatch up your film in the blink of an eye, if I wanna.... so the danger stays, regardless of what you do. Only way around that would be to really make it copyright, the official way - I guess that would give you a handle on someone who steals it.

[Dulci]

Got to agree with Killian here.

Sheesh, we're talking about Dulci posting a link here folks, nothing more.

We do love the drama though :(

Links to movies - I'm posting those without a second thought as they direct people to the movie on the TMU website, and as long as the movie is set to public & not private, it's viewable to Joe Q. Public.

I do have the option of putting the html embeddable link code thingie into the blog and the movie itself is playable directly from the blog. Not something I necessarily plan on doing often, but the overall goal of the blog is to direct the general machinima community's attention to TMU and the simply amazing works so many of you create for us. I thought a movie or two displayed on the blog might entice people to click on the movie (which has a nifty little clickie underneath saying something like, see more terrific movies on TMU!).

It's been my inclination to ask for permission before doing so, but thought I'd see if I was being just my usual paranoid self and creating more work than necessary for myself.

[Norrie]

Again, my apologies.

I was in no way inferring that you were causing, or trying to cause, that word. A poor choice of word in a poor phrase that was posted without thinking.

I see a link or an embedded movie as the same thing to be honest. I'll shut up now

:smiley denoting regret and wistful longing for opportunities lost:

[Sbhedges]

A bit off subject but I felt I had to say it.

Is FoDoog really making a return!? :)

[Dulci]

A bit off subject but I felt I had to say it.

Is FoDoog really making a return!? :)

We can only hope!

At the very least, his movies have made an online return as they are uploaded onto TMU.

[Dulci]

Be sure to check out the interview with MarvellousGuppi:

http://tmunderground.blogspot.com/2008/12/spotlight-on-marvellousguppi.html

And if you missed em:

Interview with Sparky:

http://tmunderground.blogspot.com/2008/12/spotlight-on-sparky.html


And Interview with Jase:

http://tmunderground.blogspot.com/2008/11/spotlight-on-jase180.html

[MarvellousGuppi]

Interviews with movie making powerhouses..... and me.

Groovy.

mGm

[BiggsTrek]

Interviews with movie making powerhouses..... and me.

Groovy.

mGm

Guppi almost sounded half intelligent in his interview... which begs the question: just WHO did you really interview?!?! ;)

[kuroken]

I believe you meant "almost" half-intelligent, Biggs....

[thebiz]

Out of curiousity, whats the story with the widget? Whats the difference between a widget and an embedded video? An Iclone thing?

[Dulci]

Out of curiousity, whats the story with the widget? Whats the difference between a widget and an embedded video? An Iclone thing?


As I am bad at explaining technical things:

http://www.reallusion.com/widgetme/default.asp

The widget I put up on my blog is 5 different videos and is hosted through realllusion somewhere in cyber land. I then embedded the widget code into my blog.

There's all sorts of nifty things you can do with a widget. I'm gonna make one for my company's website and convince them I should get paid for it! :thumbup1:

Sure hope that makes some sort of sense!

[Dulci]

Bongoman was interviewed for the TMU blog. You can read it here (http://tmunderground.blogspot.com/2009/02/machinimaker-spotlight-bongoman.html).

[Dulci]

The TMUnderground got a bit of a facelift. You can check it out here. (http://tmunderground.blogspot.com/)

[Dulci]

A marvelous interview with Act3scene24 is posted on the blog. Here ya go! (http://tmunderground.blogspot.com/)

[Dulci]

JosephKW shares his insights about SOI -

http://tmunderground.blogspot.com/2009/05/josephkw-talks-about-shadow-over.html